...not that I've come to think that the established literary magazines & presses actually confer artistic value, or always recognize it. Far from it. The new & the outside will always shake things up. It's that I want my poetry to be read, and maybe I see a little more clearly the difference between artistic and practical aspects. And what some independent editors & publishers are trying to do - & some of them are doing a fine job, to put it mildly.

I'll still need to play left field, I think, if I can. You can't write poetry by writing like everybody else.

(Speaking of which, there were a couple of absolutely hilarious young poets there. & some fine, talented more-serious poets, too.)