It could be argued that my own obsession with debating with Ron, proves (1) I am connected with the establishment in the same way he is, and (2) his beef with said establishment has merit.

But even if that were true, it's not the main issue. The point is that it's a waste of time trying to massage & spin these things in a socio-political way. It only establishes new establishments no different from the old establishments, because, really, it has nothing to do with poetry (& everything to do with careers & self-advancement). Only poetry itself, & valid, work-specific criticism, help poetry take its natural & rightful place in the world. Lots of so-called mainstream writers & critics have done as much or more of that than the non-mainstream ones.

Meanwhile, until you're published by Library of America, blog on, baby.